Re: Distros (byte-ranging)

[Jeff Licquia <jeff@licquia.org>]

On Sun, 2002-11-10 at 08:37, Jordan Bettis wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 10:14:09PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> > On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 20:29, Jordan Bettis wrote:
> > > On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 02:05:43PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote:
> > > > FTP needs to die, period.
> > > 
> > > And with that, I'd like to declare this thread officially dead.
> > 
> > Yes, master.
> 
> Heh, I was implying that your reply was comprehensive. I plan to use it
> as evidence when arguing aginst ftp in the future. 

That's cool, but I always like to give people a chance to respond.

> > > In a related note, I have a few not-technically-advanced shell users
> > > on one of my systems, and they'd like to upload files to the
> > > system. What's the easiest way for them to do this? Pscp seems pretty
> > > GAR to me, mainly because command.com is such an ass shell. It'd be
> > > nice if there were a gui scp program for Windows.
> > 
> > There's always HTTP PUT.  Crude, but effective.  Plus, you can put
> > directions for use right in the upload page.
> 
> Hrmm, that'd be an interesting replacement for anonymous FTP. In my
> case, I have users with shell accounts and they need a way to upload
> files. Winscp will do nicely.

That's your call to make, of course.  Using the browser to upload,
though, can be made less "intimidating" to users because you can bracket
the big upload button with lots of pretty text and pictures.

These are shell accounts we're talking about, though, so I guess a
Windows GUI won't scare them off.

> > It shouldn't be hard to write a SAFT Windows client, perhaps even a
> > drag-and-drop clock icon thingy.
> 
> I've actually not used SAFT. A number of friends of mine are setting
> up UUCP over SSH links to eachother, and I'm using it for mail from
> my laptop (postfix on the laptop delievers sent mail to a UUCP spool
> that gets delivered when I get online). UUCP is actually a really
> awesome protocol.

I used UUCP in college quite extensively.  My friend the admin gave me
UUCP privilege in college; I used it to set up local E-mail for my
roommates.  Plus, we could print to the lab printers directly from our
apartment.  This was back in the days when the Internet was still
jointly run by the NSF and the US military, so cheap and easy dial-up
wasn't everywhere.

The problem with UUCP globally is explicit routing.  Back in those days,
I had two E-mail addresses:

  jlicquia@wheaton.edu
  ...!uunet!tellabs!wheaton!jlicquia

The idea is that everyone sent their E-mail to uunet, and uunet sent it
everywhere else.  As you can imagine, this really sucked.  But as a
"one-hop-off-the-Internet" method, it works out OK.

UUCP's major problem today is that there are very few situations these
days where you can't get at least a cheap and quick dialup connection.


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