Here's the link for that penguin case talked about at the meeting: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/990724/image/peng4.jpg Oh, and Steve, I saw on PHP's web page they do have regular expressions, even one called "Perl-compatible regular expressions." :) Although it's still not as easy as =~ s/a/b/... -- To unsubscribe, send email to majordomo@luci.org with "unsubscribe luci-discuss" in the body.